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]]> By: MPin http://newgenerationsociety.com/2009/10/04/the-silent-crisis-confronting-the-unspoken-population-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-5923 MPin Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:18:57 +0000 http://newgenerationsociety.com/?p=670#comment-5923 I was reading the 'anonymous' response (oct 16 2009), and I think the guy must live in Europe or other developed country. Negative growth ? just in Europe, because in the rest of the world it is totally the opposite. Here in Brazil where I live (wich by the way is located in South America, for those who can´t see beyond his own belley) we experience a 2.2% growth rate per year. Can you imagine countries like India, China and so many others in Africa and Latin America, growing at rates equal or greater than this ? Even here, in this so called 'developing' country, what we see is that the rich portion of society is having less children, just like Europans and North Americans, and the poor portion is still having too many children, which leads to bigger misery. So how many people Earth can stand ? 2 billion, 9 billion, 20 billion people ? Are we in a kind of 'population race' against another planet that I should know ? Why it is so important for economists to affirm that we can afford to have more people living here ? That the economy will stand for it ? That the science and technology will find its way to feed this population ? If you are the one with a good quality of life, probably you are not worried if Earth have 5 or 50 billion people. It simply doesn´t matter for you! But put yourself within the ones who are living in plain misery. Imagine that you are deeply poor, starving, with no education. And this scenario is the same for all your friends and family. You are trapped! So, my conclusion about all this is that we should have less people living in this world, most of them with good quality of life. I prefer 100 people living decently, instead of 1000 just surviving. I was reading the ‘anonymous’ response (oct 16 2009), and I think the guy must live in Europe or other developed country. Negative growth ? just in Europe, because in the rest of the world it is totally the opposite.
Here in Brazil where I live (wich by the way is located in South America, for those who can´t see beyond his own belley) we experience a 2.2% growth rate per year.
Can you imagine countries like India, China and so many others in Africa and Latin America, growing at rates equal or greater than this ?
Even here, in this so called ‘developing’ country, what we see is that the rich portion of society is having less children, just like Europans and North Americans, and the poor portion is still having too many children, which leads to bigger misery.
So how many people Earth can stand ? 2 billion, 9 billion, 20 billion people ? Are we in a kind of ‘population race’ against another planet that I should know ?
Why it is so important for economists to affirm that we can afford to have more people living here ? That the economy will stand for it ? That the science and technology will find its way to feed this population ?
If you are the one with a good quality of life, probably you are not worried if Earth have 5 or 50 billion people. It simply doesn´t matter for you!
But put yourself within the ones who are living in plain misery. Imagine that you are deeply poor, starving, with no education. And this scenario is the same for all your friends and family. You are trapped!
So, my conclusion about all this is that we should have less people living in this world, most of them with good quality of life.
I prefer 100 people living decently, instead of 1000 just surviving.

]]> By: John Schmidt http://newgenerationsociety.com/2009/10/04/the-silent-crisis-confronting-the-unspoken-population-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-5918 John Schmidt Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:05:27 +0000 http://newgenerationsociety.com/?p=670#comment-5918 Dissappear yourself - if that is your solution. I believe that the world is unfolding as it should. Change is inevitable, and there will always be room for one more. Dissappear yourself – if that is your solution. I believe that the world is unfolding as it should. Change is inevitable, and there will always be room for one more.

]]> By: John Cody http://newgenerationsociety.com/2009/10/04/the-silent-crisis-confronting-the-unspoken-population-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-5203 John Cody Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:17:00 +0000 http://newgenerationsociety.com/?p=670#comment-5203 See this link from the BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8318010.stm Interesting reading, it highlights the importance of immigration policy to population levels. See this link from the BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8318010.stm

Interesting reading, it highlights the importance of immigration policy to population levels.

]]> By: Anonymous http://newgenerationsociety.com/2009/10/04/the-silent-crisis-confronting-the-unspoken-population-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-4353 Anonymous Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:01:31 +0000 http://newgenerationsociety.com/?p=670#comment-4353 > If the current rate of global population growth continues at its present rate of 1.2% a year, then by 2070 world population would expand from its present 6.7 billion to reach nearly 14 billion – over 80 million additional people each year demanding ever more resources. Growth does not equal prosperity or life quality. This is flat out stupid. What planet are you living on that you haven't noticed that the world's population growth has slowed substantially, and show signs of stabilizing? Current estimates are that it will peak in around 2050 at about 8.5 billion, and then move into a steady decline. And that's assuming no natural or man-made catastrophe (like encouraging the far less stable Islamic states to get nukes) doesn't have a major impact on growth. Almost all of the European states have ALREADY been experiencing negative growth, and the USA/Canada have only grown as a result of immigration, or they, too, would be experiencing negative growth. "If current growth rates extended into the future..." is about as dunderheaded as thinking gets. The world isn't linear. And there are widespread things affecting things like population growth which such foolish assumptions ignore. Hint: there's a reason Ehrlich, and the entire Club of Rome, were so blatantly wrong about the conditions that lay only 20-30 years ahead of them (that is, 10-20 years ago!). They made dunderheaded assumptions about trend lines, just like yours. Go read some Julian Simon. You people are utterly without a clue. > If the current rate of global population growth continues at its present rate of 1.2% a year, then by 2070 world population would expand from its present 6.7 billion to reach nearly 14 billion – over 80 million additional people each year demanding ever more resources. Growth does not equal prosperity or life quality.

This is flat out stupid. What planet are you living on that you haven’t noticed that the world’s population growth has slowed substantially, and show signs of stabilizing? Current estimates are that it will peak in around 2050 at about 8.5 billion, and then move into a steady decline. And that’s assuming no natural or man-made catastrophe (like encouraging the far less stable Islamic states to get nukes) doesn’t have a major impact on growth.

Almost all of the European states have ALREADY been experiencing negative growth, and the USA/Canada have only grown as a result of immigration, or they, too, would be experiencing negative growth.

“If current growth rates extended into the future…” is about as dunderheaded as thinking gets. The world isn’t linear. And there are widespread things affecting things like population growth which such foolish assumptions ignore. Hint: there’s a reason Ehrlich, and the entire Club of Rome, were so blatantly wrong about the conditions that lay only 20-30 years ahead of them (that is, 10-20 years ago!). They made dunderheaded assumptions about trend lines, just like yours.

Go read some Julian Simon. You people are utterly without a clue.

]]> By: Ben Pile http://newgenerationsociety.com/2009/10/04/the-silent-crisis-confronting-the-unspoken-population-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2771 Ben Pile Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:20:00 +0000 http://newgenerationsociety.com/?p=670#comment-2771 Brian McGavin and Andrew Ferguson want the New generation to stop having babies. They claim that the UK needs to stop reproducing, reducing the UK's population by at least 0.25% a year. But even if this was achieved, the population in the year 2050 will have only reduced to 55 million - a reduction of less than 6 million, and less than 10%. The same targets achieved world wide (i.e. 0.25% reduction in population per year) would amount to a population of 5.4 billion in 2050. The reason we need to stop having babies, the authors claim, is that we face an array of environmental and resource-shortage problems. 1. We are going to hit 'peak oil' at some point in the next ten years. 2. 'Within the next twenty-five years' we will face natural gas scarcity. 3. Renewable forms of energy will not be found. 4. There is only sufficient uranium deposits to last for 20 to 30 years. So, by 2050, we will still face these alleged challenges, having only reduced the population by <10%. McGavin and Ferguson's argument fails on its own terms. The maths clearly demonstrate that the scenario they present isn't going to be solved by their solution. Population reduction is a very long-term strategy, and the problems they present will happen (according to them) well in advance of any pay off from it. Meanwhile, there are good reasons for believing that the problems they have presented as reasons for limiting population are just as fictional as their solutions. Brian McGavin and Andrew Ferguson want the New generation to stop having babies.

They claim that the UK needs to stop reproducing, reducing the UK’s population by at least 0.25% a year. But even if this was achieved, the population in the year 2050 will have only reduced to 55 million – a reduction of less than 6 million, and less than 10%.

The same targets achieved world wide (i.e. 0.25% reduction in population per year) would amount to a population of 5.4 billion in 2050.

The reason we need to stop having babies, the authors claim, is that we face an array of environmental and resource-shortage problems.

1. We are going to hit ‘peak oil’ at some point in the next ten years.
2. ‘Within the next twenty-five years’ we will face natural gas scarcity.
3. Renewable forms of energy will not be found.
4. There is only sufficient uranium deposits to last for 20 to 30 years.

So, by 2050, we will still face these alleged challenges, having only reduced the population by <10%.

McGavin and Ferguson's argument fails on its own terms. The maths clearly demonstrate that the scenario they present isn't going to be solved by their solution. Population reduction is a very long-term strategy, and the problems they present will happen (according to them) well in advance of any pay off from it.

Meanwhile, there are good reasons for believing that the problems they have presented as reasons for limiting population are just as fictional as their solutions.

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